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Boomerang Antenna (How to fix the factory installation problem)
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"Jack" antenna can replace the Boomerang Antenna (Off page link)
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Do I need a new TV Antenna to receive a Digital TV Signal?
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Fixing Leaks in your Aero Cruiser
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Roof-to-Body Vinyl Molding Insert
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Replacing the Skylight
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Fixing a Leak by the Skylight
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Replacement Skylight
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Bathroom Fan Replacement with a Fan-Tastic Vent Fan
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Solar Panels
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Tips:
Subject: Boomerang Antenna (How to fix
the factory installation problem)
Tip: The Boomerang antenna
installed on the Aero Cruiser is not a bad antenna for what it is designed for; however, I have never seen
one properly installed by the factory! Basically it is an Omni-Directional
antenna designed for mobile applications like RV's and Limos. It has a maximum
reach of
about 100 miles under optimal conditions which are seldom seen by the Aero
Cruiser when parked.
The Boomerang Antenna installed by the factory has an amplifier built in that is powered by that big red switch on the drivers side of
the TV. HOWEVER, the amp and the Antenna are both grounded by the Coaxial cable
running from the Antenna to the TV and it depends on being grounded by the TV
which never happens! Therefore the Amplifier never works properly! The fix is
simple! Skin back a bit of the coaxial insulation exposing the ground shield,
wrap and then solder a ground wire to it and attach the other end of the wire to
ground. As an alternative you can install a coaxial coupler and ground it.
I ran the grounding wire the ground side of the 12 volt plug the TV is plugged into.
Now when you turn on the amplifier you will see a difference in the signal
displayed on the TV. Depending on the off-air signal strength you may want the
amp on or off. For close signals you will find that the amp will overdrive the
signal, for distant signals it will pull it in. If you see no difference then
your amplifier may not be grounded!
The Boomerang Antenna's main problem is that it is Omni-Directional which is
great if you are moving along an open highway but not so good if camped among
trees in a valley. For that you need a directional antenna that you can rotate
to find a signal. So many folk have installed a second, folding Antenna like one
of the Windgard model. Normally mounted on the roof near the refrigerator vent
where it is easier to route the cable. I hope this helps,
Keep on Cruising, Tom Heald
Update: This info is from the
installation instructions for the Model 720A amplified model
Wintenna, Inc
911 Amity Road
Anderson,SC 29621
(803) 261-3965
J D, 88'-1989 RB
Update: Another replace / additional
antenna is the "JACK® Digital Over-the-Air HDTV Antenna"
described in the tip below.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Do I need a new TV Antenna to
receive a Digital TV Signal?
Tip: NO!
Any existing antenna will receive a digital signal just fine! It only
cares about the frequency of the signal not the encoding of the signal (ie.
Amplitude modulation, Frequency modulation or Digital encoding) I receive
3 digital TV signals at my home on my original boomerang antenna. (http://aero-cruiser.fl-ink.com/tip-ext03.htm#t2011-10-30)
I connect the antenna to a digital TV converter box through a switch --
http://aero-cruiser.fl-ink.com/tip-ext04.htm -- and then on to my old TV.
All new TV's can skip the converter box. See -- http://aero-cruiser.fl-ink.com/tip-ext01-a03.htm
-- for info on a digital antenna one of our members has installed.
Now a sales man will spin all manner of reasons why you should purchase a new
antenna, BUT it's not need to receive a digital signal. However, I
am sure that a good sales many can explain why a new antenna is needed and then
try to sell you the Brooklyn bridge!
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Fixing
Leaks in your Aero Cruiser
Question:
Last summer I replaced the vinyl insert in the top rub rail because I had water leak into the cab, a few weeks ago we had
a melting and once again I had water leaking into the cab. Any
suggestions? Thanks - Andy
Answer:
The first thing to do is to find the leak! Water will travel a long way once it gets inside. Gravity may carry it far from the source and it will also climb the walls through capillary action. You probably won't be able to see the
leak but it should give you a good place to start looking on the outside.
The most common sources of leaks that I have found are the windows -- I had to
seal mine on the road when I ran into rain on my trip
around the country -- and the skylight over the shower.
See --
Fixing a Leak by the Skylight -- for a tip on how to Fix the leak. Another spot to look at
is any hole through the roof, i.e. vents, fans, antennas and the marker-lights. The screws will loosen and the
seal under the fixture will open up. I have also had to seal the top and
sides of all my windows and marker-lights but when (if) you seal the bottom make
sure you leave the weep holes open to let any moisture out for both the windows
and the marker-lights. Next is around the screw-covers where
the top and side joints are joined. (see several tips starting with, -- Roof-to-Body Vinyl Molding Insert --
Vertical Side Molding --
Vinyl Door Molding).
The screw-covers are cosmetic and not designed to keep moisture out; however, the vinyl will deteriorate and some times the screws will back out and let water in. When I tighten the screws, I always squirt a generous amount of caulking compound into the hole before replacing the screw. This is as much to help hold the screw in as to keep moisture out. If the hole is worn, I use a larger screw. I also caulk the top of the screw-cover frame or track. On the sides I caulk along both sides of the vinyl screw-cover.
Before you seal anything, clean the old sealant off and use a high quality silicone sealant as explained in the tips above.
Keep on Crusin', Tom Heald
Update:
I currently have my Amera Coach pretty much gutted, bed, toilet, shower, sink,
all walls in the rear and most of driver side wall up to front of coach. After
removing the paneling and exposing the plywood/fiberboard, it became quit
evident how the water was entering. All exposed windows showed major water marks
and to further point to the windows as the source of the leaks -- one day it
rained while I was inside the coach and I could actually see the rain water coming
in. I had already resealed everything on the roof, but could not understand
why I could not find any water marks anywhere on the ceiling, Well now I
know. I spent a considerable amount of time working on repairs last
summer//fall and have a lot more to do.
I still may just scrap it for parts. If
anyone is interested please let me know. Everything works and it can be driven
anywhere. E-mail me for more info, Engine runs fine, very new tires and
the roof air conditioner is brand new and has not been used on any trips,
frig works well as does furnace, hot water heater and generator. All glass (
windows ) are crack free. Happy motoring, Ed Davis, 612-710-9371 hiimedd@yahoo.com
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Subject:
Roof-to-Body Vinyl Molding Insert
Tip:
Ken Stahl reported in July 2000 that he was able
to order a new roof-to-body vinyl insert but that was
during the good ol’ days when Camco Mfg. sold
directly to the public. Now they are big enough not
to bother with that headache and sell through
distributors only but are willing to help if you exhausted
all possible means first.
If you need a 50’ insert, you can get it just about
anywhere, but if you want a 100’ insert, that requires
some doing. Learned in Qurtzsite at the Camco
booth that if you need a Camco product that you
can’t find, call Jenny at 800-334-2004. If you give
her your zip code, this fine lady will tell you who their
wholesaler is for your area. In my case it is Southern
California Distributors in El Cajon, phone No. 619-
588-1269. (I spoke to Rebecca, another fine lady).
You call that distributor and they’ll tell which store
bought that product. If you’re lucky, the store in your
area will have the product or may try to sell you
something else that you may not want such as in my
case. Camping World parts manager even told me
that Camco refuses to sell them the 100’ insert,
which of course is not true.
Totally frustrated, I called Jenny back and she was
kind enough to find a way to pay off my persistence
by selling me a roll of 100’ insert directly.
She also suggested calling Camping World mail
order sales rather then dealing with local people
who are often inapt or misinformed.
The part you want is 3/4 X 100’ Colonial White
insert, part No. 25242. This is more than enough for
one 29’ Aero Cruiser or for a 23’ Aero Cruisers.
#212 Petrovich
Note: Goto -- http://www.camco.net/#app=9c17&b3fd-selectedIndex=1&ddda-selectedIndex=0
-- to order online. They will point you to Amazon.Com where I found "Camco 25242 RV 3/4 x
100' Colonial White Vinyl Insert" for $11.48 + shipping in 2010.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
Update:
You can order the insert by the foot from All Rite. Sungard Flexible Plastic Insert 5/8" wide,
color: Polor white or Colonial etc. for $1.02 per foot in
2010. Go to -- http://www.all-rite.com/flexible-insert-p-175.html?options={1}44 -- or --
http://www.all-rite.com/ -- and look it up under "Screw Covers and Trims".
For my 1990, 23 footer I ordered 58 feet and a 29 footer should need around 70
feet, but do your own measurements!
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Replacing the Skylight
Tip 1:
Want a simple low cost solution? If height isn't a problem, simply use one or
two sheets (for a double pane skylight) of Lexan the same
size as the old skylight or a little bigger if needed. If you are making a
double pane skylight you will to cut Laxan or aluminum strips and glued them
between the two sheets of Laxan along the sides to give you an air gap.
Before instillation, shim the roof
to make it as flat as possible as described below in Fixing a Leak by the
Skylight. You may need to shim other areas also to get a good tight
instalation. Then if you want more height use a rubber or aluminum shim
on top of the roof to raise it to your specification. (I used wood but I
wouldn't use it again.) Place strips of the standard 3/4 inch sealing compound
on the bottom (and top if you raise it) Crown it with a 1.5 inch flat aluminum
or a 90 degree channel if you shim it up (1.5 inch on each side) then screw it
down. For a double pane installation, make sure you drill small 1/8' holes in the four corners of
the inner Lexan sheet to allow any moisture that gets inside to drain out and
evaporate. Looks good and works great as long as you shim the roof
first. (see the tip: "Fixing a Leak by the Skylight" below) Tip
2: In 2000 I replaced my skylight with one I made from scratch. I used a 2x3 frame, 2 Lexan sheets and an
aluminum 90 degree channel (1.5 inch on each side) on the top. I cut the 2 by 3's to fit, cut a
channel 1/2 inch down from the top and 1/2 inch into the inside so I could insert one of the sheets
of Lexan to provide a double wall, insulating airspace in the skylight. I placed the other sheet on
top and put the aluminum channel over the edge. I dry assembled everything and trimmed the bottom to
fit the contour of the roof. It lasted for 10 years (the same as the
original) however, I had to paint the wood every year to keep it from
rotting. If I was doing it now I would shim it up as described in Tip 1
above.
Important! Make sure you drill small 1/8' holes in the four corners of
the inner Lexan sheet to allow any moisture that gets inside to drain out and
evaporate. If you don't the moisture will eventually rot the wood.
Before fitting it to the roof it is important to place a shim under the fiberglass roof
where it dips forming a gutter on top edge of the roof. (see "Fixing a Leak by the Skylight")
Cut the shim about a foot or so long 2 inches wide and taper it from 3/4" to a point at the far
end. It won't take all of the dip out but it will take enough out so you will no longer get a
puddle there when the coach is leveled. If you don't do this then you will eventually get a leak there.
After fitting it to the roof (with the shim installed) I took it apart, painted it then glued
and screwed everything together. I used 2 strips of that 3/4 inch sealing compound used for
windows and skylights on top (under the Lexan) and on the bottom where it attached to the
roof. Then I screwed it down through the top aluminum channel with 3 inch screws. It
looks good and works great.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald Update:
Well it lasted about the same as the original (10 years) and then the top Lexan
sheet started to crack and leak.
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Subject:
Fixing a Leak by the Skylight
Tip:
I had a leak by skylight, the water was entering at the low point by the molded gutter in the roof. When
I removed the old skylight it was obvious that the water had entered at that point from the dirt that has
carried under the seal even though it looked sound from the outside.
It's a tough place to seal because the skylight is flat and the roof dips forming a puddle
at the seal. I solved this problem by cutting a shim and putting it under the fiberglass
layer of the roof. The shim was about a foot or so long and tapered from 3/4" to a point
at the far end by the edge of the roof. It didn't take all of the dip out but it took enough
out so that I no longer get a puddle there when the coach is leveled.
The skylight was pretty weathered with some cracks and had a ripple effect along the edge
where it had warped between the screws. I got around that problem by using 1.25" fender
washers under the screws. It worked well but if I was doing it again I think I would use
a strip of aluminum.
That was over two years ago and I haven't had any problem with it. Because of the way the
roof and skylight are designed I believe we will all experience this problem sooner or latter.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
Replacement Skylight
Tip 1:
If your skylight needs replacement, Thom
found a new source for us. It is:
BRI-RUS
Specialty Recreation
1186 Broadway
El Cajon CA 9202
http://www.brirus.com Thom’s coach needed 18X24 skylight, part
No. SL1824w which came ready for installation
including instructions. Some trimming was
needed. Call Thom for details.
#537 Olson
Tip 2: All-Right -- http://www.all-rite.com/
-- makes custom parts for Motor Homes. Got to -- http://www.all-rite.com/product_info.php?products_id=98
-- for Skylights.
--Frank
Tip 3: All-Right wanted $550 for a double-insulated skylight so I looked at several other alternatives. I finally
settled on: E-Z Tops Worldwide P.O.Box 1400, Calais, Maine, 1-877-433-4568
http://www.globalplastics.ca/partners.htm or http://www.globalplastics.ca/rvskylights.htm
to go to the RV Skylight section. They are manufactured in in Canada and my
credit card was charged there also so I received extra charges for a cross
border transaction. They didn't have double-
insulated skylights so I ordered two, cut Laxan strips and glued them
together. Then cut aluminum channel caps (1.5 by 0.5) to screw them down
and cover the sides. This made a very rigid package so I shimmed the
Fiberglass portion of the roof all around to make it flat and then used silicon
calk to seal everything.
Description |
Qty |
Price |
Total |
White Lexan RV Skylights 1/8" x 15" x 22" x
3" high plus 1-1/2" flange |
2 |
$84.40 |
$168.80 |
Shipping (see below) |
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$20.00 |
Credit Card Foreign Transaction Fee |
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$5.66 |
Total on 8/28/2010 |
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$196.46 |
When I tried to order them online they doubled the shipping to $40, so I
called their US Toll Free number 1-877-433-4568 and talked them into a single
$20 shipping fee. They don't make them until you order, so allow a month
or so for delivery.
Keep on Crusin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Bathroom Fan Replacement with a
Fan-Tastic Vent Fan
How to install a Fan-Tastic Vent Fan in an Aero Cruiser
Question:
Where can I get a replacement for the Bathroom Fan?
Answer: I considered replacing the standard
fan motor and impeller (which was in bad shape in my Cruiser and causing lots of noise) with a
muffin fan that would fit into the same enclosure. I think it would have
worked fine but I didn't do it; instead...
What I did do was replace my small, round bathroom fan with a larger Fan-Tastic Vent (14' by 14")
fan in my Rear-Bath
model. It pull enough
air to cool down the whole coach when we need it. It also does the other job just fine.
You can
use the same wiring as the existing fan as long as you don't cut the wires when you cut the larger hole!
I
laid out the new location with masking tape, then made the hole larger on the inside as I traced the
wires back to the outline of the new hole before I cut it out. It's good I did because the wiring
did not take a straight path back.
Note: If you have a model with an enclosed bathroom, see the update
below.
When installing the fan in a different location be careful not to locate your fan where there is a rib in the ceiling. One
way to find the ribs is to look at the due pattern on the roof on a frosty morning.
Another is to look for the seams in the ceiling panels on the inside of the coach. I believe
they are generally over the ribs as can be seen in this picture of a
naked Aero Cruiser, but one can never be sure, so play it safe as described below.
The best way to start is inside the rig.
Lay out the area where you want to install the fan with masking tape. In the center
of the area you will remove, use a circular hole-cutting saw
like to ones used to install door handles or locks to cut a hole in ceiling
panel only, not through the Styrofoam. Start with a small one
inch or so hole, and probe with a coat hanger wire 6 inches or so through the Styrofoam
on either side to make sure there are no ribs in the area you will cut.
When you are sure you have a free area, cut the ceiling
panel only without getting into the Styrofoam
insulation. Then carefully remove the foam looking for wires that may run
through the area you have selected. If you find some wires you can easily relocate
them to the side. The last step is to drill holes in each corner up
through the roof, then go up on the roof, mask it off and cut the
opening. I installed mine in the bathroom and used the existing
power for the small fan. If you install it in the front of the rig, you
will have to figure out how to get power to it. When the factory installed
a vent fan they put it in front of the fluorescent light in the center of the
living area. As a guess, I would look
for an extra hot wire by the light fixture or where the factory installed fan
would be located. Almost all of the Options for the Aero Cruiser were
pre-wired using a standard wiring harness run throughout the coach. So
there may be a pair of wires there someplace. Anybody with experience in
getting power to the fan, let me know and I will update this tip.
Update:
Do not - REPEAT - do not put it in [an enclosed] bathroom. Even at it's
lowest setting, it moves way too much air. When you go to flush the head, your
coach will be freshen with lovely black water perfume. I put one in our 5th
wheel and now we open it, but never run it when using the head. The stock Aero
Cruiser one works just about right for that small space, noisy as it is.
-=Dale=-
I have not experienced this problem. My
fan has 3 speeds and two settings, to pull air in or push it out. I have never
have a problem with air circulation or odor. At night we often set it up to pull air
into the rig, and during the day we have it pulling air through the rig and out
the vent. I will often crack the windows up in the cab area and get a good flow
through the Cruiser. I like to leave it on low to cool the coach down when we
are out and about. I have never had any odor migration problems when we use the bathroom when
the fan is set up to push the air out of the bathroom. I suppose one could get order from
the holding tank or its vent on the roof, if the fan is set up to pull air in. I have not experienced
any problems on my 23 foot Rear-Bath Aero Cruiser. I highly recommend replacing
the bathroom fan in a Rear-Bath
model where the toilet is out in the open.
In the Rear-Bed or
Twin-Bed models
where the bathroom is enclosed, it may be less effective or even a problem.
Keep on Cruisin' -- Tom Heald
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Subject:
Solar Panels
Tip 1:
Frank showed a small solar panel
that can deliver 0.8 amps in pulses. This can keep
your battery charged while in storage without
drying it up. He found his at
Harbor
Freight.com for
$9.99. Item number 44768.
Frank
Tip 2: I have two 80w panels installed on
the roof, but I normally get only 4-9 amps at the best on a sunny day. I just
saw the maximum ever last week: surprisingly it was a partly cloudy day. I got
10.2 amps at 13.1 volts, for about 134w. My theory is that the clouds were
reflecting sunlight, thus funneling more energy to the panels. Of course, that
worked only while I was in direct sun with surrounding clouds.
In short, you may be expecting more amp-hours than you are likely to get.
Remember, the maximum output is only under ideal conditions, with the panels
aimed perfectly at the sun.
My coach had batteries added: two in the front, mounted to the cross member
just behind the grill (thus blocking a little air), and two in the original
battery compartment, with an additional compartment added for the engine battery
under the table storage cabinet.
Franks
29 footer with two identical Solar Panels.
Frank DeRemer
Update: Support @ RV Solar Electric <http://www.rvsolarelectric.com/>:
I have a motorhome with one of your solar systems on it, installed in 2001:
two panels and regulator charging 4 golf-cart batteries. I get lots of
static in my AM radio. Using a portable radio the static is at a max near
the regulator. I have tried a 12v line filter to the radio; no reduction.
More recently I tried an antenna filter; no reduction.
I am hoping you have had other customers who have had the problem and have found
a good solution? Please let me know.
Thanks, --Frank
Address: RV Solar Electric
P.O. Box 25313
Scottsdale, AZ 85255
Phone: (800) 999-8520 (480) 443-8520
Fax: (480 ) 443 - 0742
Update: Here's what I got back from RV Solar
Electric:
Very
rarely we get complaints about AM radio static, unfortunately it is almost
impossible to clear up completely, usually a line filter will reduce the static
however if the solar lines run near to or intersect the antenna line or power
lines for the radio this will cause static that won't reduce with a filter.
You may want to see if the radio power/antenna lines run near the solar
lines.
They do not run near to or intersect the antenna line in my rig says Frank.
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