Information on the general care and maintains of the Aero Cruiser, manuals,
name badges for new members, where
to get parts and other information not covered in one of the other categories.
A must read for New Owners!
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Manuals, Documentation and Maintenance tips for an Aero Cruiser |
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The Aero Cruiser Web Site on a USB Drive
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There are three Fuse Panels in the Aero Cruiser.
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Looking for a Power Drain on a Battery.
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The California DMV says I must add a Catalytic Converter
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VIN -- Vehicle Identification Number's 3 locations
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Decoding the VIN for Vironex & LSG Chaises
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Aero Cruiser / Amera Coach Hybrid and VIN Info.
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Wood versus Metal Frame and how to tell which is which
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Emergency Exits in an Aero Cruiser
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Passenger Capacity and Seat Belts
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Aero Cruiser Club Name Badges for Rallies
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What is a Motor Home?
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Aero Cruiser Insurance
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Gas Appliances not Starting (off page link)
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Spring Checkup -- Before you hit the road.
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How to use the Message "Search" function to get Help!
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How to point to a PICTURE in your Message to the Group
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How to point to a PDF or other file in a Group Message
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Aero Cruiser Derivability, Wandering and Towing
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Hard to find RV parts and Helpful Web Sites
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Dealing with Dodge Dealers
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Blue Book Value
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Don't use Steering Wheel to enter Coach
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What is the best House Battery solution: 6 or 12 volt, 1 or 2 batteries? (off page link)
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Old Tires can KILL you! (off page link)
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Flat Tire? Use the Air Bag Compressor to fill it up. (off page link)
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Flat Tire - How to change it (off page link)
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Spare Tire - Lowering and Raising (off page link)
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Fresh Water System - How to Drain & Sanitize
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Winterizing your Rig and Cold Camping
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The Smell of Gasoline at a Traffic Light
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Mold - The Hidden Killer (Article)
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HouseAtosis -- It really stinks!
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Our Breakdown from Hell (Article)
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A Cry for Help (Article)
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The Quest for the Right Aero Cruiser (Article)
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Journal of a 10,676 mile, 10 week trip around the US complete with pictures, locations and point-to-point
mileage. (off page link)
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on this Web Site is provided by members of the "Aero Cruiser Classics" Motor home Club. All
information on this site is contributed by the club members or outside sources and is believed to be reliable; however,
there is no warranty or guarantee that said information or advice is correct or free of defect. It is
offered on a best effort basis and is to be used at your own risk.
Tips:
Subject: Manuals, Documentation and
Maintenance tips for an Aero Cruiser.
Question: I just purchased a Used Aero
Cruiser and I don't have any documentation on anything! Help!!
Answer: Even if you did have the original documentation, it would not help much.
It basically tells you what every owner's manual tells you -- check the oil and
change it every so often. Both the 23 and 29 foot Aero Cruisers
have a Chrysler 360 C.I.D. (5.9 Liter) engine from a D350, 1 ton Dodge truck with an A727 Transmission.
All of the front end, steering, wiring
harness, computer, relays and dash equipment is supplied by the Industrial
Engine division of Chrysler and comes from a full-size Dodge pick-up. Check the
sticker on your air cleaner to find out what year the engine is. It is always a
year or two older than the model year. For example my 1990 Aero Cruiser has a
1989 engine.
Everything in the front end is from a 1-ton Dodge Pickup that was extended 8
inches. It has coil springs and a lateral leaf stiffener-spring was added over
the front axle. The rear suspension has leaf springs with airbags that are
individually controlled from the front cab. The rear end is a Dana 60 by Spicer.
For wiring diagrams, engine repair, etc. go down to your local library and
check out one of the Automotive repair manuals. The one I use covers Dodge Pick-ups from 1974 through 1993. It is by
Haynes, ISBN 1 56392 202 9. There are other manuals available from other companies. If your library doesn't
have one, check with the garage that services your rig. And the Internet is
always there if you want to purchase one. I picked a used one up on
the internet for $5.00 including shipping.
For the equipment inside the motor home: Refrigerator, Stove, A/C, Heater,
water system there are many books on the subject. Check at you local Camping
World, a Motor Home repair center or on the Internet. If you are a Do-It-Yourself'er
this is a must have.
We also have lots of knowledgeable owners in the club. Join our Club and get
access to our News Letters with Tech-Tips and access to our Private Club site
for members. Go to -- http://aero-cruiser.fl-ink.com/
-- for details.
Here are some general guidelines that I use on my 1990, 23 footer. This is
for my Aero Cruiser only and may not be good for your rig.
Tire Pressure: Front 60 lb., Rear 75 lb. Check with your tire manufacture. The
proper tire pressure depends on the tires you purchase and the weight on the
Front and Rear axles. Note: if you over-inflate the front tires the unit may
tend to wander on the highway and you may have a tendency to over steer. If you
under-inflate, you will get poor tire wear and you may blow a tire.
Air Bags: 40 pounds each. (I have been told that the air bags are not part of
the suspension, they are there to help with body sway especially in high winds.)
Use too much pressure and you risk turn the rear-end into a catapult
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The 23 footer uses a Firestone Ride Rite air bag and compressor. It has 2 gages each with 2 push button
air valves to increase or decrease the air pressure in the corresponding rear air bag. There is a
compress (air pump) under the front hood that will come on when you turn the ignition on. It will fill a
reservoir that is connected to the top push buttons that inflated the air bags. The bottom buttons simply
bleeds of extra pressure when you push one of them.
The 29 footer uses a similar system from Granning Air Systems that automatically adjusted the air pressure
in the air bags. It too has a compressor mounted up front. See the members tip list for maintains issues
and parts for both systems.
Lug nuts: If you have Aluminum wheels it is imperative that you check the
torque with a reliable torque wrench often. Check with the manufacturer of the
wheels for the proper torque settings. Each manufacture is different and the
torque is different for the different stud sizes used in the front and rear
wheel drums. Aluminum wheels expand and contract more than steel wheels, and the
lug nuts will loosen and you will lose a wheel if you don't check them often! If
you over torque the lug-nuts you can damage Aluminum wheels. Steel wheels also
need to be checked from time to time.
Chrysler recommends 140 ft. lb. for all wheels.
See -- Aero Cruiser Lug Nut Torque Settings from Chrysler
-- torque recamandations.
Fuel Injection: Aero Cruisers from 1990 on use a throttle body carburetor with
two Fuel Injectors, one for each manifold. The injectors tend to clog up if your
rig sits for a long time. You can keep this from becoming a problem if you run
the proper amount of fuel injector cleaner (see instruction on the product)
through them after the motor home has set for a few months or longer, and you
should always run the engine a minimum of 25 miles with the cleaner added to the
gas just before you have it smogged.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
The Aero Cruiser Web Site on a USB Drive
(NO Internet required)
Tip:
Going to the boonies, or over to your mechanic's garage where you don't have access to the Aero Cruiser web site on the Internet? Some people print everything they think they might need on the web site; however, there is a better alternative!
Save that ream of paper and copy all of the web pages to a USB (thumb) drive instead of printing them. I have create a USB drives with the entire Aero Cruiser web site on it -- 1284 files, 714 MBytes. I can send copies to members for a small fee of $15 that covers the cost of the USB drive and the postage. If you are interested you can send a check made out to Tom Heald to: 7688 Saint Francis Ct., Gilroy, CA 95020-5319 or use PayPal to send $15 to aero-cruiser@fl-ink.com and I will send an Aero Cruiser USB drive to you.
Or you can do it Your Self!
You can get a list of all Aero Cruiser Pages by going to going to most FL-Ink pages and looking on the left hand side for the "FL-Ink.Com Page Index." -- http://aero-cruiser.fl-ink.com/fl-ink-pages.html -- which has a pointer to all of the relevant pages. Set up a directory structure on the USB drive as follows:
AEROCRUISER (USB's Label) (root directory)
aero-cruiser (copy all of the Club site pages here including all tips)
images (copy all of the Club site images here)
images-tips (copy all of the Tip Images here)
members (all of the Members only sites.)
images (all of the Members only images.)
newsletters (all of the Members only newsletters and updates.)
Copy the files over using the same directory structure and file names as found on the web site.
Then access the structure with your web browser starting with "X://aero-cruiser/index.htm" where X: is the address of the USB drive. This will allow you to access all of the Aero Cruiser files on the USB drive just like you do on the Internet.
-- or--
Just copy the files you think you are interested in and access them directly by listing all the files on the USB drive and clicking on the one you are interested in. You won't be able to use the links to go from file to file but that's ok.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: There are three Fuse Panels in the Aero Cruiser.
Tip: There is a separate tip
on each panel. Just follow the link to the description of each one.
1) Coach Electrical Box
2) Dashboard Fuse Block
3) AC Converter, Circuit Breakers and Fuse box
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Looking for a Power Drain on a
Battery.
Question: I have been
chasing a parasitic drain on the house battery in my 1991 AC. How can I
find it? -- Alex
Answer: What you need to
test for is a current drain (amps not voltage). Make sure the battery that is going
flat is fully charged, then hook an Amp Meter up to it. Remove the positive cable and place your meter
between the battery post and the cable connector with your meter on the highest
amp setting, usually 10A to start and then move it to a lower setting. You should
read 20 to 50 milliamps in a normal motor home; any more and you have a drain.
The most common things I have found are: the battery itself, the alternator,
water or a bad bulb in a light fixture, one of the electrical devices going bad
or a short in the rigs wiring where it has rubbed against something or heat
damage that has melted the insulation in the engine compartment.
Here is what I would do:
1) With the amp meter hooked up pull the fuses from each of the 3 fuse panels
in an Aero Cruiser. Go to --
http://aero-cruiser.fl-ink.com/tip-new01.htm#FusePanels
-- in the shared data base to locate them. Remember there are also in-line fuses
on many built-in and add-on devices.
2) Disconnect any electronic device (House AC, Refrigerator, heater, Radio,
CB, TV, the Alternator, the truck's computer, the AC Converter that charges the
batteries)
3) Pull all of the lights from the inside and outside of the coach.
Make sure you check the Amp Meter after you disconnect a circuit or pull a
fuse. You may have more than one circuit causing a problem so a drop in the
current flow can indicate a problem.
Go to the Internet and search on "Parasitic drain" and
"battery drain" to see lots of tips on tracking the power drain down.
This can be one of the most frustrating problems to fix.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald.
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Subject:
The California DMV says I must add a Catalytic Converter
Question:
My Aero Cruiser never has a Catalytic Converter but when I went to get it smogged
the Smog station tells me that the DMV says I must have one and they don't believe me when I tell the that it never
had one.
Answer:
Take a copy of the Emission Letter from Vironex into the Smog station. It addresses the emission system on Aero
Cruisers that have a 1997/8 and 1989 engines that are
exempt from catalytic converters. The DMV can use the information in this
letter to look up the exemption in their records. The regulation reads 40
CFR 86.1101-87 (Subpart L) The compliance level is HC 1.7, and CO 36.5.
The model year of these Aero Cruisers
are generally from 1990 and 1991. When you get your Aero Cruiser smogged
make sure you give them your Engine Year and not the Coach Year. One can find
the Engine Year on the Emission
Sticker which is on the side of the Air filter in all Aero Cruisers.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
VIN -- Vehicle Identification Number's 3 locations
Question:
DMV sent my paper work back saying VIN does not pass check digit, and that I should contact the mfg to make sure the
VIN is correct. Do you have any idea how to get a hold of a record keeper for the company, or if such exists? -- Steve
Answer:
The VIN is in three different locations on my 1990 23 foot Aero Cruiser.
* Outside the drivers side door or window on the side of the coach on a sticker.
* Inside the coach on a sticker on the left side of the lower steering wheel shroud.
* Inside the front hood on the left side attached to the frame.
I can't read the first 2 any more but the last one is good. I don't know of any records other than the previous owners
registration and the title document. The manufacture Gardner Pacific is long gone. This happened to me once when
getting new insurance. They call back and said it was an invalid VIN. It turned out to be a typo.
Keep on Cruisin' -- Tom Heald
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Subject:
Decoding the VIN for Vironex & LSG Chaises
Tip:
While trying to decode the VIN# on my newly acquired Aero Cruiser, I found this answer in the NHTSA website:
Veronex: ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/mfrmail/01-22-N11B-1912.pdf
LSG: ftp://ftp.nhtsa.dot.gov/MfrMail/01-22-N11B-3145.pdf
Bruce and another member
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Subject:
Aero Cruiser / Amera Coach Hybrid and VIN Info.
Question:
I recently bought an Amera Coach. Well it says that on the side but when I read
your website and look at the pictures I believe the name is wrong. Why I say
this is my side door is not straight it has a bend in the middle. It is a 29
footer and is a 1990 model. The vin number is ___________LS0241. Any info or
insight would be great. CAV
Answer:
Maybe you or someone in your group may know of other Amera Coach like
mine. I have paperwork from
the original owners that tell me that the unit is one of 6 29" Amera Coach's
and the model is a hybrid. It has the sides of the Aero Cruiser but the
roof, back cap, and front cap are Amera Coach. Interesting. Anyway thank
you for your responses and you invitation to join. Finding this info
out just makes me want to restore the unit and enjoy traveling. CAV
Note: There is also at lease one (and probably more) 1998 23' hybrid that I have
had questions on. I didn't know what they were until I received these
e-mails from
CAV. If anybody else has more information
then please let me know. The Vin Number of an Aero Cruiser will end
with ___________GP0xxx where GP stands for Gardner Pacific and xxx is the production number of the unit.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
Wood versus Metal Frame and how to tell which is which
Question:
Like your site! Would you recommend staying away from purchasing a 1988 23' because of wood vs steel frame?
Answer:
Not really. Wooden frames supporting the side walls and roof -- like the ribs found in the early Aero Cruisers --
are common in the industry today. I don't know of anybody in the club who has had problems with either a wood or
metal frame specifically. The biggest potential problem is with leaks. If you have a leak it should be fixed
as soon as possible. Wood frames and floors can get dry-rot while the metal frame will rust out. In
short, it's a toss up. Many motor home and trailer manufactures use wood frames today. The Aero Cruiser
switched from the wooden ribs used in the "Vironex" chassis to the metal ribs found in the "LSG" chassis in 1990.
The "LSG" chassis are better in that they fix a number of front end weakness; however,
if you don't have a front end problem then it doesn't matter.
Note: The LSG Chasses will have a
metal tag inside the front hood riveted to a vertical support on the left side
(part of the frame) with LSG on top, the VIN number in the middle, and
"Elkhart IN" on the bottom. You can't miss it; it's easy to
see.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Emergency Exits in an Aero Cruiser
Tip:
If you don't have a driver and passenger side doors in your rig; there are other
emegercy exits available. The driver side window over the couch or dinette
and the rear window over the bed both open as emergency exits. So if
the rig tips onto the passenger side, you can exit via the side window or the
rear window over the bed.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
Passenger Capacity and Seat Belts
Question:
I am looking at purchasing a '89 - 23' with capacity for only two people. It has only two seat belts,
and they are in the cab area. It has the two free standing chairs for a dinette area, and no way of
belting anyone in there. We are moving into retirement and the kids are now on there own. This will
be my first motorhome. My questions and concerns are: How much of a concern is it to be able to carry
passengers? Do other Areo Cruiser owners have this situation and is it
a concern for them? Thank you
Answer:
A standard Aero Cruiser has seat belts for 5 or 6. Each of the seats has a belt, 3 in the Rear Bed and
Rear Bath models and 2 in the Twin Bed model. There are also 3 other seat belts for the couch
or dinette. Check the Floor Plans on our public web
site. It sounds like the one you are looking at has been modified or the missing belts
are tucked below the seats. Ask the owner.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Aero Cruiser Club Name Badges for
Rallies.
Tip: The Club has a vender that
produces Name Badges for members. They have the Club Logo on then with
your name below. For more information or to order a badge contact
Elizabeth Haynes, Phone: 626-451-0506 or send an e-mail to eahaynes@hotmail.com
with a Subject of: Name Badges.
From the newsletter
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Subject: What is a Motor Home?
Tip: What's the definition of a Motor Home?
It's a vehicle that renders a large section of your driveway unusable,
that you must keep feeding time and money
so it will go where you want to go most
of the time!
Happy trails.
Keep on cruising, Tom Heald
So what's your definition?
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Subject: Aero
Cruiser Insurance
Question: For
Insurance purposes we would like to know what is the value of a 1990 - 23 foot
Aero Cruiser? Thank you, our best, Steve and Danielle
Answer: When you
have a 17 year old rig, condition is everything. I have seen good ones sell in the
20K range. Basically you are talking about a restored antique. The important
thing is what will the Insurance co. pay out if you total it. If you want
to insure it for more than you paid for it, you may need to
get a written statement from the insurance company that they will cover it up to the
value placed on it. In this case they may require an inspection. Otherwise the
agents 20K value they base your premium on
may turn into the adjusters 1K pay out.
That said, I also have a 1990 23 footer with a standard insurance package. If
I total it, all I expect is a fight from the insurance co. My preference
has been to go with an Insurance company that specializes in Motor Homes such as Good
Sam or Camping World. Their
price was right and the package covered more motor home related items
such as interior contents. The packages change from time to time so check
it out before putting bucks on the line.
This is my personal opinion, you need to consult a lawyer for a definitive
opinion.
Keep on Cruisin' -- Tom Heald
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Subject:
Spring Checkup -- Before you hit the road.
Tip:
Spring is here and we
are all eager to get on
the road but before you
do, especially if your
RV was in storage, check the following
as a minimum:
- Engine: drive belts
- Radiator and transmission: hoses & clamps
- Brakes: front pads and rear shoes
- All fluids: radiator, brake, power steering, transmission
- Tires: most failures occur on motor
homes which have 50% or
more tread remaining. These failures
are a result of side wall
breakdown due to non-flexing or
improper inflation with respect to
the load. The common term of
weather checking is simply hardening
and drying out of the rubber
due to nonuse (flexing). The
key to long tire life is inflation,
loading, and use. Any measures
to reduce tire rubber from drying
out will extend tire life. Tire
manufacturers recommend any
good tire dressing made solely
for that purpose. Do not use
products such as Armorall.
George Kinnison
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Subject:
How to use the Message "Search" function to get Help!
Tip:
Lots of problems have been discussed in the Aero Cruiser Group
-- https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/aero-cruiser-classic -- over the years. To
search all of the old messages for a particular problem, go to the top of
the messages on the club home page, fill in a "keyword" and click on "Search" to
see if there are any answers to your question.
There is now a search function in the Club's Shared
Knowledge Base if you don't want to step through the indexes.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: How to point to a PICTURE in your Message to the Group
Tip:
When you ask a question in the Club's
Aero Cruiser Group on Google that refers to a picture the best way to get people
to look at it is to post a pointer to it in the message. For
example:
- Post your picture on the Google site or any picture
site.
- Display the picture with your browser.
- Copy the address line on your browser.
- Paste the pointer to the picture into your
message.
Here is a picture of my rig from our web page::
http://fl-ink.com/images/fall-rv-5x3.jpg
It's the same idea no mater where the picture is posted. If it is
posted in the Club's Aero Cruiser Group on Google
the address will be a lot longer.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: How to point to a PDF or other
file in a Group Message
Tip:
When you want to post a message in the Club's Aero Cruiser Group on Google that refers to a PDF or other file the best
way to get people to look at it is to post a pointer to it in the message.
For example:
- Post your PDF or other file on the Google site under "Files" or if
it is on the Internet, go to the next step.
- Use your browser to View the "File" on the Internet or wherever it is posted.
- Copy the address line from your browser.
- Paste the pointer to the PDF or other file into your message to the group and send it
out.
For Example: Click here to see a file on Transmission
Temperatures
--------------------- Or ----------------
Click on this very long pointer to see a file on Transmission
Temperatures -- http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UE3GU... etc.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
Aero Cruiser Derivability, Wandering and Towing
Question:
Can you tell me how the Aero Cruiser drives? Are they hard to control at 60 - 70 mph? Do
they tend to wander around on the road at all? Is there any adverse changes when towing something?
Thanks again, and I'll try to let you know. Hoping to be cruising soon, Mark
Answer:
The biggest derivability / wander-around-the-road factor is the tire pressure. I keep the
Tire Pressure at: Front 60 lb., Rear 75 lb. Check with your tire manufacture. The proper tire
pressure depends on the tires you purchase and the weight on the Front and Rear axles.
Note: if
you over-inflate the front tires the unit may tend to wander on the highway and you may have a
tendency to over steer. If you under-inflate, you will get poor tire wear and you may blow a tire.
When my wife and I first started driving the Aero Cruiser it took a while to get use to it.
We
had a tendency to over correct but soon got use to it. No problem after the first hour or so.
I
don't drive it at 60-70 mph but my wife says it's no problem.
I tow a car from time to time without any problems. It will cost you about 1 mile per gallon in extra fuel burned.
Keep on Cruisin' -- Tom Heald
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Subject:
Hard to find RV Parts and Helpful Web Sites
Tip 1:
If you need hard to find RV parts,
the place to look may be “The RV Junky” in
Hemet, CA. George reports that he was able
to find a variety of stuff, some he didn’t even
know he needed until he saw it.
Tip 2: Don't forget the Internet.
There are lots of sites you can look at and order on line or order over the
phone.
The original manufacturer of our Control Cables
Deeper Transmission Oil Pan
Starter Motors
Best Converter for (PDI) Inteli-Power 4600 series
All-Right RV Custom Exterior Components Manufacturing
Fire extinguisher Info for RVer's
Road King MH shocks
Generac Diagnostic Manual
Generac Technical Information Manual
Freedom Awnings (see the
Freedom Wall Mount for Aero Cruisers)
For Used and Salvage Parts:
Arizona RV Salvage inc.
Brabdon Auto/Truck Salvage
Cherokee RV Parts
RV Doctor George
RV Surplus
Here is a list of places all over the country - RV Salvage Sources
Do you have your favorite source? If so, send it in and I will post
it.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
Dealing with Dodge Dealers
Tip:
If you need parts or service
from Dodge dealers, don’t tell them “it’s a motor
home”. That’ll just confuse them. Tell them it’s a
D350, 1 ton Dodge truck. The year of engine
manufacture can be found on the metal tag
inside the engine compartment. LH designator
means it’s an industrial engine.
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Subject:
Blue Book Value
Tip:
The Aero Cruiser holds its
value better than most coaches. According to Rick, the
Blue Book listing is under Sun Rader and does not
include $17,000 or more worth of options.
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Subject:
Don't use Steering Wheel to enter Coach
Tip:
If you have the driver’s door on your coach and you
are in the habit of using your steering wheel to pull
yourself up into the coach, you may want to find a
different method of getting in. Wright was using his
steering wheel to pull himself in and in doing so
broke the steering wheel tilting mechanism. It took
$600 to repair but that was only half the problem.
The other half was finding someone to do the repair
since Chrysler dealer refused to do it until George
Kennison intervened on his behalf through
Chrysler’s industrial division.
#435 Benson
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Subject:
Fresh Water System - How to Drain & Sanitize
Question:
Can you tell me how to empty and flush the water system in my Cruiser.
Answer:
Locate the exit pipe at the bottom of the fresh water tank that runs up to the water pump. It
will have a drain valve in it.
How I Sanitized my Fresh Water System:
To Sanitize my water system I use a little chlorine (2 tablespoons or so of pool granular chlorine)
or household chlorine bleach (1/3 of a cup for a 25 Gallon tank) in the water to sanitize the
system. Mix the chlorine with water in a 2 gallon watering can before adding it to the tank, then fill
the tank up. Use the pump (not the outside water source) to run a gallon or so of chlorinated water through each line: hot
& cold; front & rear; shower and toilet to clean out the lines then let it sit overnight or
for 3 hours. Use the pump to drain the tank through the lines, and then get the last of it
out through the drain valve. Add a little water to the tank and let it drain out to get the
last of the chlorine out of the bottom of the tank. Do this several times as
there is always a little chlorinated water left in the bottom of the tank. Close the valve and then fill
the tank with fresh water. Flush all the lines again until the tank is empty to get the chlorine out.
Then get the last of the water out of the bottom of the tank as described above. Please note that
the hot water tank holds 5 or 6 gallons so it may take a while to flush it. There are also
products on the market to do the job.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject: Winterizing your Rig and Cold Camping
Question:
May be a dumb question, but how do I keep the gray water and black water tanks from freezing
when dry camping in below freezing weather. Also will the water heater freeze when
not lit? Mine will not stay lit while we are driving. I have thought about installing
a "Hot Stick" but have not yet done it, mainly because I'm not sure how to get 110v to it.
Walter
Answer 1: Living in a mild
climate, I
don't have a lot of experience with winter camping; however, I have been out
several times where my black and gray water lines froze so I could not
drain them. When I drove into warmer temperatures they thawed out and I was able
to drain them at my next stop. I have never camped for an extended period
in freezing temperatures.
Winterizing for storage in freezing areas
Just as there is a
drain valve for the fresh water tank, there are hot and
cold drain valves in the water system. In my 1990, 23 foot Rear Bath model they
are located under the drawer on the left below the bed. Open them up and use
compressed air through the
city water connector to
blow the water out. Then open the faucets over both sinks
to let the rest of the water drain out. If needed you can add a little "Red Pop" antifreeze to
the system as explained in Answer 3
below.
Note:
Winterizing your Hot Water Heater
The Water Heater is designed to fill from the bottom through a check-valve that
will not allow the hot water to drain out. The tank is also designed with an
air bubble at the top for expansion so it may survive a light freeze, but to be safe you want to
blow the water out with compressed air as explained above. If you
winterize your system with "Red Pop" antifreeze,
you want to make sure you run enough through the 5 gallon hot water heater to
protect it. One way to do this is to turn on the hot water faucet at the sink and
run the water into a small watering can. When the can is full, pour the
treated water back into the external water fill line.
If you don't Winterize your Water System
When at home between trips in an area that only has occasional freezes and you
want to keep fresh water in your tank, you can put a light bulb by the tank,
pump and water lines that could frieze up. Be sure not to
rest the light bulb on the carpet or place it near anything flammable. Use
a caged drop light with a low wattage bulb, 60 watts or less is usually ok but as an extra precaution, put
it on top of an inverted pie tin or something similar for added insulation.
You only need to plug in the lights when the temperature dips below freezing, or
you can hook the lights up to a thermostat to switch them on when needed.
If you are in an area the has hard freezes then refer to Answer 2
and 3 below.
Here are some dos and
don'ts that I use when camping for a night or two in freezing
temperatures but spend most of the trip in non-freezing conditions. See
Answer 2 for camping in snow country and winter conditioning for people who
live in snow country.
1) When you get to a campground in freezing temperatures, dump your tank when you get
there, close the valves when not in use (you don't want them to freeze open!)
and dump the tanks again after you use them in the evening before they freeze
up. The waste lines you use to dump the tanks will freeze and get stiff if you leave them out!
It is best to store then when not in use even though it is a pain.
Note: If your dump valves do freeze
open, don't hit the road until you thaw them out or they are bound to start
dripping or let lose when a cop car is right behind you.
Imagine trying to explain to a pissed-on cop or a judge why you were dumping
your waste on the street.
In the cold winter it is always best to travel with a woman! Preferably
one who brought her hair-drier with her!
If you are dry camping for some time in below freezing weather, winterize your
water system as explained in Answer 2 and carry drinking water separately.
If you want to use your freshwater system you can look into using after market
heating blankets or heat tape keep the tanks and drain lines warm but they take
lots of power, so you need AC power or you need to run your generator. If you
have alternatives -- like at a ski lodge -- eat out and use their toilets etc,
so you don't need water. Only make light meals and sleep in the rig.
2) When running off the fresh water tank make sure you turn the pump off when
not using it, then turn a faucet on to relieve the pressure so if it does freeze
it won't split the pipe or pop a joint. Make sure you
turn the
faucet back off so it won't start running when you turn the pump back on.
3) Keep your hot water tank heater running when stopped. On the road it
should not be a problem if it is warm when you start.
4) For the inside water lines, open the cabinet doors by the sinks and any
places where the water pipes run next to an outside walls (especially at night).
This should keep water lines inside ok; however, the ones outside the cabin may
freeze. If you will be in below freezing temperatures for a day or two you can
look into after market heating blankets or heat tape keep the water tanks and
sections of fresh water tubing warm if you have power.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
Answer 2: Winterizing your Rig
in Cold Country
I have a different solution
for winter camping. First... My water system
is always winterized in below freezing temperatures. I have done the next
step two different ways. I put enough Red Pop (see below for
explanation) into
the fresh water tank to flush the toilet or I run a line from a bottle of Red
Pop to the to the water pump depending on the length of my trip. I can now use
the pump
to flush the toilet and keep a bottle of hand sanitizer close at hand. For drinking, some light cooking and dish washing, and emergency hand washing I
use water in bottles and plastic dish tubs in the sinks. When I need some worm
or hot water I heat it on the stove or sometimes in the microwave.
Works fine... Been doing it for years.
Enjoy...
Jerry
Answer 3: What is Red Pop?
It is a red colored, bio-safe antifreeze commonly found at Wal-Mart and most camping
stores. Regular antifreeze for your car is massively toxic. 0.4 ounces is
enough to be fatal.
This red stuff, while nasty tasting, is safe and will winterize your water system
and can be flushed out easily for summer use.
I usually run compressed air through the inlet on my city water connector to
blow water out, then flush the red stuff through the p traps and s traps, with a
bit in the tanks for safety. See the note on Winterizing
your Hot Water Heater.
Rick
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Subject:
The Smell of Gasoline at a Traffic Light
Tip:
Have you ever been out cruising in your rig when you came to a stop light and smelled Gasoline?
Your Aero Cruiser has been running fine, everything is up to temperature with no apparent problems; however, when you stop and are idling for a short time you get the smell, which disappears when you take off. I had this problem on a trip up north one fine summer day.
After I returned I had to go in for a Smog Test. It failed! The emissions were too high at idle. It turns out the Oxygen Sensor was going bad. It worked fine at higher RPMs but at idle it was telling the computer that it was starving! Well the computer decided to make the fuel flow much richer! So rich that you could smell it gas fumes in the cab.
With a new Oxygen Sensor it passed the Smog Test and the smell at idle disappeared. So now you know how to use your nose to test out your Oxygen Sensor -- Sometimes.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
HouseAtosis -- It really stinks!
Tip:
Does your RV accumulate offensive odors during
storage? One easy way to remove them is to place
scented fabric softener sheets used in cloths dryers
and place them throughout the coach. A couple of
sheets on the sofa and one or two sheets on other
fabric areas. Five to seven sheets should cover even
the 29er. Leave the coach closed for a couple of days
and the freshness will be there when you return.
#212 Petrovich
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