Engine and its Maintenance Tips:
General maintenance information and everything not part of one of the three Engine sub-systems:
Engine's Fuel / Air System, Engine's Emission System
or Engine's Cooling System.
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Dodge D350 Pick-up Wiring Diagram and Repair Manual
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Engine and Transmission model numbers
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Engine Year
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George Kinnison’s Confirmation of Murphy’s Law (Article)
Tips on Troubleshooting & Part Numbers
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Engine Computer Troubleshooting & Part Numbers (off page link)
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Engine valves
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Engine running rough at idle
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Head Gasket leak -- Compression in the Cooling System
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Engine Maintenance
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Engine Hoses
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Fan Belts
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Replacement Parts Belts, Hoses, Filters etc.
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Dip Stick
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Engine Oil
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Synthetic Oil vs. Regular Oil
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Oil Leaks
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MAP Sensor
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ASD Relay
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Distributor-Cap Fire
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Engine Replacement
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Alternator Charging System
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Exhaust Manifold Bolts
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Broken Stud or Machine Screw
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Chrysler "Check Engine" Light Computer Codes (off page link)
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Starter Overheating
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Starter Problems -- Diesel
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Starter not working. It just clicks!
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Tips:
Subject:
Dodge D350 Pick-up Wiring Diagram and Repair Manual
Tip:
For wiring diagrams, engine repair, etc. go down to your local library and
check out one of the Automotive repair manuals. The one I use covers Full-size, Dodge Pick-ups from 1984 through 1992. It is by Hayden, ISBN 1 56392 032 X.
There are other manuals available from other companies. If your library doesn't
have one, check with the garage that services your rig. And the Internet is
always there if you want to purchase one.
Keep on Cruisin' -- Tom Heald
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Subject:
Engine and Transmission model numbers
Tip: Both the 23 and 29 foot Aero Cruisers
have a Chrysler 360 C.I.D. (5.9 Liter) engine from a D350, 1 ton Dodge truck with an A727 Transmission. All of the front end, steering, wiring harness, computer, relays and dash equipment is
supplied by the Industrial Engine division of Chrysler and comes from a full-size Dodge
D350 pick-up. Check the
sticker on your air cleaner to find out what year the engine is. It is always a year or two older than the model
year. For example my 1990 Aero Cruiser has a 1987/8 engine.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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Subject:
Engine valves
Tip:
Rick brought for show-and-tell the burned
valves from the #3 cylinder that he replaced recently.
As part of that job, he also rebuilt the heads.
Dragi
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Subject: Engine Year
Question:
How can I find out what year the engine is?
Answer: Look on the engine air filter housing to get the year of
the engine manufacture. The Aero Cruiser itself may be listed as a year or two
newer then the engine. My 1990 Aero Cruiser has a 1987-8 engine.
Keep on Cruisin' -- Tom Heald
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Subject:
Engine running rough at idle
Tip: If your engine is starting to run rough at idle with no
indication of ignition malfunction, check your in-line
gasoline fuel filter (metal canister 2” X 4” mounted
inside frame just behind right hand side of the
transmission).
Also, change carburetor air cleaner as it will affect
gasoline mileage.
#102 Kinnison
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Subject:
Head Gasket leak -- Compression in the Cooling System
Question:
As I type, I'm broken down in Houston Texas. About a 150 miles from Houston, I
began to smell antifreeze, even thought the engine temp. was only 210. I pulled
over and found the catch bottle full and coolant all over. It seems I'm getting
compression in the cooling system. A friend who is a Dodge mechanic seems to
think these 360s are prone to do this, through what he calls a "steam port". If
this is true it looks like I'll be pulling the heads. Has anyone else had this
problem? Again so far on this trip the engine temp. has never gotten over 230
degrees. Walter
Answer:
Well, I have it apart and the head gasket was blown on the left side 3rd
cylinder back. The head bolt at that location was not as tight as the others.
The machine shop tells me the heads have cracks and some valve seats are too bad
to grind. They assure me that they fix this all the time, so for $385.00 I
should be able to pick them up late tomorrow. Also the gasket kit with the
"extreme service" head gaskets is $185.00.
It was no walk in the park to removing the heads. First thing I did was take out both
front seats. Then just started taking stuff off 'til we got to the heads. We had
cardboard down on the driver's side and manhandled the manifold and heads out
through the driver's side door. Oh, before we "downed" it, I drove it 2 high on
Linx-Levelers.
We got it back
together and drove it late Friday afternoon. I struck out, from Houston, about
4:00PM Saturday for a friend's house between Centerville and Oakwood Texas.
Everything was going fine for the first 30 minutes, when the oil pressure gage
went to zero. The low pressure light and buzzer were not on, so I was concerned,
of course, so I made a graceful and immediate exit from I-45. Come to find out
the wire to the sender had gotten on the small tube that runs across the rear of
the engine, from one exhaust manifold to the other, and melted to it. I pulled
it loose and the gage went back to working properly. I stopped several times
just to check the overflow bottle. Thankfully the level never changed.
After a visit with friends I headed for home, arriving
at about 1:30 Tuesday morning. The little coach performed admirably, but the
6-7mpg is a pain on my 1000 mile odessy. I could have ridden the bike and stayed
in motels much cheaper. But would not have been as "interesting"!!!
Walter
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Subject:
Engine Maintenance
Tip: If you have not done maintenance in a while,
following is the list of things to check and service
if needed depending on your engine type:
* Air filter for the computer - check for cleanliness
* In-line fuel filter
* Oxygen sensor
* Vacuum lines (especially to MAP sensor
* PCV valve
* Catalytic converter (should be done by a service shop
* Spark plug wires
* Engine timing (for carbureted engines)
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Subject:
Engine Hoses
Tip:
Check your hoses for deterioration.
Old ones will be brittle and may not hold the pressure.
When replacing them, do not over tighten the clamps.
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Fan Belts
Tip:
Inspect on the inner side for cracking
and replace as necessary. General rules of thumb,
if you have not replaced them in the last three
years, take a real close look.
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Subject: Replacement Parts Belts, Hoses,
Filters etc.
Tip:
Since I wasn't able to find specific references to replacement belts, hoses,
etc. I thought I'd post what I've found for my newly acquired 1989 A-C. I
believe that the engine is a 1988 model year based upon the following number:
Chrysler LH 360-88-388 located below the Vironex Chassis VIN.
Dual
Alternator/AC (120amp) belts: NAPA (Gates) 7612 Power Steering/Fan belt: NAPA
(Gates) 7450 Air Pump/Fan belt: NAPA (Gates) 7480 Upper Radiator Hose:
Gates GAT 21406 Lower Radiator Hose: Gates GAT 20046
Replacement Fuel
Pump: Airtex 60519 Air Cleaner Element: Franz CA160 Fuel Filter: FRAM
G3499
I'll post any additional replacement items as I come to
them. jwdub1
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Subject:
Dip Stick
Tip:
Do you have trouble seeing
where the oil is on you dip stick
or better yet, where it should
be? This may help. File a “V”
notch at the upper and lower oil
mark on your dip stick with a
triangular file about 1/16 to 3/32
deep. Clean the dip stick
carefully and put it back. You
may still have trouble seeing
the oil line but you should have
not trouble finding the
reference points.
#212 Petrovich
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Subject:
Engine Oil
Tip:
Recommended viscosity of oil
depends on the temperature where the coach
is being operated. With the mild temperatures
of Southern California, straight SAE 30 weight
is fine, but if you expect a significant change in
temperature, stick with SAE 10W-30 which is
good for temperatures above 0° F. Remember
that certain oil viscosities such as SAE
10W-40 and 10W-50 are NOT recommended
in Dodge engines.
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Subject:
Synthetic Oil vs. Regular Oil
Tip:
It comes down to
personal preference. Some people report engine
running cooler with synthetic oil. If you use regular
oil and you drive in a climate where the temperature
is relatively even, suggestion is that you use a
single grade oil in stead of multigrade due to its
longer life expectancy.
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Subject:
Oil Leaks
Tip 1:
Lon Waterson cautioned about
assuming that your rear main seal is leaking just
because you have an oil leak on the ground. Check the
oil cover first and engine block to intake manifold
interface. That may be the culprit.
Lon Waterson
Tip 2:
Make sure that the screws holding the
valve cover are snug all around. Rear end of the
covers is especially susceptible to oil leaks. Also,
when changing the engine oil, replace the plastic
washer on the oil pan bolt periodically. The gasket
can get compressed to the point where it no longer
does its job.
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Subject:
MAP Sensor
Tip:
If Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor
needs to be replaced, make sure you tell your mechanic
or parts person that the engine is 5.9 liter from a D350
Dodge truck.
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Subject:
ASD Relay
Tip:
Automatic Shut Down relay failure will stop
your engine. It is located under the hood on the drivers
side and my be interchanged with the Air Conditioning
relay in an emergency even though the ASD relay has 5
prongs while the AC relay has 4.
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Subject:
Distributor-Cap Fire
Tip:
Beware! If you buy a distributor
cap and rotor, and the rotor is for a bigger shaft, return both, not just the
rotor, even though the distributor cap looks superficially to be the right
size. I learned the hard way. I only bought another rotor the correct size.
It ran fine for the 20-mile test drive up and down a 1000-foot hill, so I
thought all was well. But a few days later we set out for a local beach. We
only got two miles when it backfired a few times and then quit. I pulled over
and saw smoke coming from under the motor cover. I didn't want to remove the
motor cover because it would feed air to the fire, so I tried aiming the fire
extinguisher through the front wheel well at the back top of the motor where I
could see the flames. I was unable to stop the fire that way, so I went back in
and risked taking the cover off. Then I could see that it was the new
distributor cap burring and aim the fire retardant straight into the
distributor. That put the fire out. Praise God, an off-duty fireman had
stopped and came in at that point. He had already called 911 and he spent my
second extinguisher making sure the fire was out. The fire truck arrived a few
minutes later and the CHP a couple minutes after that. Wow, what a
team!
Two hours later the Aero Cruiser was
loaded on a Landoll trailer and hauled to my mechanic's shop. It took me two
days to find and replace all the burnt wires, vacuum hoses, distributor, cap,
rotor, etc. Now I have another few days work to replace the burnt insulation
and clean up the mess. But we thank God we didn't go the way of the Watersons'
fire!
Frank DeRemer
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Subject:
Engine Replacement
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Tip 1:
In August of 2004, after driving all day with our
“new” Cruiser (we bought a 90/91 model), we
were a quarter mile from home when something
sounded like metal hitting the cooling fan. I stopped
immediately and checked. The fan was just fine. I
then noticed the wing-nut on the air cleaner cover
was going solo. The bolt holding the cover in place
had snapped off and proceeded to find its way
down the carburetor throat into the engine. I guess
the “ s— had hit the fan “ after all.
Fishing around
through the carb. throat with a magnet didn’t
accomplish anything, so after removing the valve
cover and searching further we found damage to
the valves and one piston and cylinder wall. This
engine had been driven 154,000 miles, yet all the
other pistons were still in exceptional condition.
After getting repair estimates, I called George
Kinnison who graciously shared information about
the totally remanufactured engine he had introduced
to our club. Next, through David Cavin at
Chicago Power Systems, Inc., an engine was
shipped to me. After receiving the engine and
inspecting it, Chicago Power accepted my personal
check on George’s word! I have only driven the
Cruiser 350 miles since installation. So far it runs
quietly, smoothly and powerfully.
Here are some stats: LH360 Remanufactured
Chrysler Industrial Stub Engine ass’y w/increased
cooling water pump.
Price $2375.00
Shipping 345.00
Installation with many new parts (hoses, belts etc.)
Approx. $1,700,00
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Pete with his new Engine
Lowering the Engine
Shot from above
Shot from below
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#441 Pete Mondeel
Update:
Pete gave us an update on his engine. He said the engine runs great and he gets about
12.4 MPG on the flat terrain at 55 MPH and 8 to 8.5 on
the hilly terrain.
#441 Pete Mondeel
Tip 2:
Some of us have accumulated quite a few
miles on our coaches and though no one knows
how long our engines will last, there is a source
where we can buy remanufactured engines. They
are $2,500 plus $500 for shipping. See below for
additional information.
Removal of the engine should not be difficult. There
is a cross-member bolted to the frame that holds the
transmission and the engine. Once this part is
removed along with two engine mounts, the engine
can be removed from the bottom.
Speaking of engine mounts, they are standard
D350, 1-ton truck mounts and should be checked
periodically for condition and separation. Poor
engine mounts can allow engine to sag or twist
under acceleration.
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Subject:
Alternator Charging System
Tip:
If you should loose your alternator for some reason (it
went bad, belts broke, air conditioner compressor froze,
etc.) keep in mind that you could still drive a long way.
The electrical current needed for your ignition system
will be supplied by your engine battery for a long time
without being recharged. In an emergency, you could
also connect your coach batteries to the engine battery
and have even more current.
#212 Petrovich
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Subject:
Exhaust Manifold Bolts
Tip 1:
Check your exhaust manifold bolts periodically to make
sure they are still there. The manifold is
secured to the block, metal to metal – no gasket,
with a combination of machine screws in some
locations and studs and nuts in other.
These bolts (technically,
machine screws and studs) that hold the exhaust
manifold to the engine head can break off due to
extremes in stress caused by high temperature. Driving
without them for a prolonged period of time can cause
warping of the exhaust manifold and leakage of the
exhaust gases into the engine compartment.
Removing broken studs from the engine head is no easy
task. Common approach is to drill a correct size hole
precisely in the center of the broken stud and clean out
the remaining threads with a tap. Trying to use an
“easyout” (screw extractor) can be a mistake.
Remember that the easyout is smaller than the screw
your are trying to remove and though it is harder it is
also more brittle and can breake inside the hole
creating a bigger problem. Trust me, I’ve been there.
The best thing to do is to take your coach to a
reputable shop capable of performing such a task. If you
insist on doing it yourself, be prepared to eventually
remove the engine head and take it to a shop. On the
plus side, this will give you the opportunity to examine
all components of the engine top side and replace as
needed.
#212 Petrovich
Tip 2:
Bolts and screws that hold
the manifold to the block are grade 5. Suggestion is
to replace them with grade 8 if replacement becomes
necessary. They have been known to brake
from constant expansion and contraction due to
extreme temperatures. Torquing of these fasteners
is also critical since manifold is secured directly to
the block without a gasket between them.
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Subject:
Broken Stud or Machine Screw
Tip:
If you are faced with a situation where you need to
remove a broken stud or a machine screw, consider
using left hand drill bit. You have to drill a hole into the
remainder of the stud anyway, why not use the drill that
works against the threads in stead of with them?
#409 Royston
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Subject:
Starter Overheating
Tip:
Cal Harnetiaux reported a problem with
his starter; it wouldn’t work. He discovered that the
started was “fried” by the exhaust system. It’s a
good idea to inspect your exhaust system to make
sure that there are no sensitive components too
close that could get damaged by the heat. That
would include such things as: control cables,
wiring, brake-lines, etc. If they are too close and
can’t be moved, consider shielding them with heat
resisting materials.
See the tips on: Exhaust System Wrap to cool things down
and
Replacing the Transmission and Throttle Control Cables
at the end of the article.
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Subject:
Starter Problems -- Diesel
Tip: Diesel Starter
Adventure! If you haven't been there already, you will be.
You go to start your Cruiser and all you get is a depressing click. Your first
thought is that the battery must be dead. No, everything was fine a while ago and
everything else is functioning. Great! The starter died.
When the starter
went bad on my 98 Dodge diesel, the dealer told me I needed a new one. $900
later I have learned a few things. I don't know if the gas Aero Cruiser uses the
same starter, but I learned a lot about the diesel. The dealer wants $600 for
the unit itself and about $300 to install.
The Cummins diesel in the
Dodges use a Nippon Denso starter. Most support groups estimate that the starter
itself is good for about 300K miles. What goes bad is the solenoid. The solenoid
itself is as tough as the starter, but the contacts pit and corrode easily and
12volts can't punch through much corrosion.
To cure this problem, Larry
Buck, up in Tacoma, Washington makes a set of oversized contacts and sells the
kit for $35. He also sells the Nippon Denso starter, brand new, with the beefier contacts
installed for about $400.
contact: www.fostertruck.com
The
whole procedure is about 4 hours or less. The toughest part is getting the
starter in and out. All work must be done underneath, so if you have a lift,
great. If not, any blocking or lifting of the front end will help.
As
with any engine work, disconnect the ground wire on the batteries and set it so
it won't swing back and make contact. If you have a disconnect switch, that is
fine too. Crawl underneath and pull back the rubber boot covering the starter
terminal. Disconnect the starter cable. Remember that this is a copper bolt so
it is soft. Disconnect the solenoid trigger wire. If you get your contacts from
Larry, you might want to invest a couple of extra bucks and get his new copper
bolt kit.
The starter is held in with 3ea 10mm bolts. These are $8 ea
from the dealer so try to be nice to them. These are 'star-head' bolts that have
12 points and mate perfectly to a 12pt, 10mm socket. Nothing else will fit. I
tried. An 11mm, 6 pt will fit but slips under torque. I vowed to replace these
bolts with standard hex heads, but I later found that the star heads were
smaller and clearance wouldn't allow hex heads. The bolt between the starter and
the engine wall has very tight clearance and will give you the most trouble. You
will need a 12in extension to get to it. There is not enough swing room to use a
open/box/ratchet end on any of the bolts. Loosen the top bolt first but leave it
installed. It is the easiest to get to (you can't see it but it is easy to feel
for). It will hold the weight of the starter while you remove the difficult
lower two bolts. Then, holding the weight of the starter with one hand, back out
the top bolt. There are no gaskets involved.
Once you have the starter
on the bench, the rebuild is quick and easy. It just depends on how much time
you want to spend cleaning things. Should take about 20 min. Larry includes good
instructions with the kit. You don't need to open the starter, just the 3 screws
on the solenoid end cap. The contacts are right there. When reassembling,
remember: The bolts are copper and strip easily. Tighten firmly, but don't crank
down.
If you are adventurous, you can bench test the starter. Using
jumper cables, hook it up. Nothing will happen until you trigger the solenoid.
Using a short hunk of 16awg or larger wire, and holding the starter FIRMLY (It's
a torquey little dude), short the positive post to the trigger post. Stay away
from the gear end and try to touch the nuts on the posts. Touching the treads
might arc and mess them up. Just a touch will do. Don't hold it there. If
changing the contacts fixed the problem, you will know.
Putting the
starter back in is an exercise in frustration. That inner bolt is a bear to line
up. Put the top bolt in first and hand insert it but don't seat or tighten. This
will hold the weight but allow the starter to wobble a bit and give you some
play room to get the other 2 gremlins in. This could take the remainder of the
day.
Put the electrics back in in reverse order and you are up. Watch out
for over tightening that copper bolt. This fix is waaay cheaper than
$900.
-=Dale=-
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Subject: Starter not working. It just clicks!
Question: We
just returned from a trip a while back and are getting ready for another when I
tried to start Aero Cruiser. The ignition switch just clicks the starter. New starter was installed two years ago.
Just read your article on starter by-pass switch. Not sure I can find those
cables/ wires. Any advice? Give us a call.
Marvin & CeCe
Answer: If
it is clicking then the starter by-pass switch will not help. It is used to
bypass the transmission interlock switch that keep the ignition switch from
picking the starter relay. The clicking you hear is the starter relay or the
solenoid on the starter. It is either your battery being low (most common) or it
is the starter. It may just be the contacts that run the starter motor, the
motor itself or the Bendix gear. There are several tips on the starter motor and heat related
problems from the exhaust. See --
tip-run01.htm#t2002-03-08
& tip-run01.htm#t2009-07-08 --
which is for diesels but it is a good description of starter problems. To
shoot the bug; crawl under and check the voltage at the Starter motor. If it drops quite a
bit when you try to start the engine then it is probably your battery. If you hear or see
the Solenoid click but not engage then the problem is probably in the starter
motor: either a bad motor or the contacts that cause it to spin. If you
hear the starter spinning but not engaging then it is probably the Bendix gear
that engages with the flywheel to turn the engine over.
If you can't shoot the bug yourself take it to a good mechanic who will
actually look at the starter before replacing it. In any case consider -- tip-ext05.htm#exhaust-w -- "Exhaust System
Wrap" to cool things down and protect the starter and cables.
Keep on Cruisin', Tom Heald
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